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So now we have at least two major news outlets, the NYT and the Telegraph, each having proven themselves for 5 years to be entirely untrustworthy propaganda rags that repeatedly spout complete falsehoods in support of the official narrative, pushing the lab leak story. “Yeah we know they were lying and wrong about all that other stuff but they’re right about the lab leak!” Gell-Mann Amnesia to the max. Next let’s look at what we have to believe. We must believe that a man made virus, which by definition could never have been tested for real world fitness (this is a HUGE problem that almost no one considers) somehow got out of its place of manufacture and rapidly infected the world, but it waited to do any noticeable damage until after the official narrative said it could. “The thing maybe spread via infected lab workers infecting others!” Now assuming the thing was fit enough to avoid immune systems presumably well acquainted with corona viruses AND transmit outside the lab (which could not have been tested in advance and which is not well supported by a long historical record of failed challenge trials), it had to jump from person to person globally without making anyone sick, until it supposedly did once it was allowed too. But not in some jurisdictions. Mostly the most batshit (hey wait) crazy areas is where it attacked. Strangely the places that didn’t give a pangolin’s ass about supposed pandemics were unaffected by this carefully crafted weapon of mass destruction. “But maybe it spread via the jetstream or something and infected select areas!” Seems a hard ask for a lab creation that has never been subjected to the rigors of the wild. Somehow, somehow tho, it did it. I mean there’s a long historical record of lab leaks! (But strangely no long record of resultant pandemics). “But we were mislead by experts!” Says the woman who made herself famous by penning complete narrative-driving BS for the NYT for 5 years. But NOW she’s right and not grifting at all. Or maybe just maybe, it would’ve been much easier to just create a propaganda pandemic. Certainly international lockstep propaganda gained some function big-time, and spread easily and rapidly, infecting countless millions. That is a fact. GOF viruses somehow pandemic-ing, not so much. The CIA’s statement sure has broad application doesn’t it? They conclude a “pandemic” was most likely (but with low confidence) of “research related origin.” Could that be research related to the manipulation and control of the population perhaps?

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"Somehow, it must have escaped" is as much a hand-waving explanation as "somehow it spreads contagiously."

To this day I have yet to see a rigorous explanation of how *anything* "spreads". Is it drops? Fomites? Aerosols? Free-floating in the wind? By skin contact?

Has any of this actually been quantified? I can find toxicology studies that can tell me exactly what dose (at least on lab rats) of various toxic substances can kill rats, whether via inhalation over a specified period of time expressed as parts-per-million or as mass per liter of air, or as per grams of skin contact, etc. I can find papers that attempt to quantify "amount of bacterial contamination per gram of food" thought to be capable of infection if eaten. I have found very little published research even attempting to quantify "how much virus is exhaled per minute from a sick person and exactly how many viruses-per-liter-of-air-inhaled make you sick" or even confirming that illness is even transmitted in the air at all.

To this day I feel like "spread" is an ill-defined unscientific term.

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