Sharing an interaction between
, myself, and regarding informed/valid consent and vaccination.Responding in the comments to COVID Origins Ping-Pong, Elizabeth Hart said:
[Quoting J. Hockett] Re: "It’s also a pretext for war and further empowers the pandemic/bioterrorism preparedness industries."
How to disempower the pandemic/bioterrorism preparedness industries?
Stop the vaccine mandates.
That's what caught so many people during the 'Covid' debacle, and also for years prior in countries that impose mandates for other vaccines.
There should never have been vaccine mandates, they violate valid voluntary informed consent, which the vaccinating practitioners are obligated to obtain before they administer the vaccine intervention.
This is the massive scandal...
There is NO VALID CONSENT for COVID-19 vaccination, or any vaccination that has been administered under mis/disinformation, aka lies, from 'the authorities', and under pressure, coercion, manipulation and MANDATES.
All those billions of people injected around the world...with NO VALID CONSENT.
It's a massive scandal.
And who is responsible?
Of course those who penetrated the skin with the needle without valid consent.
But why did they do this?
They were caught in a hierarchy of 'regulators' and medical colleges and associations, and governments and bureaucrats, the research and university sector, and the WHO, and public private partnerships, and the mainstream media, and even the churches.
Our entire system has been captured to facilitate vaccination, imposed upon the population under duress.
So there is NO VALID CONSENT.
Get this massive scandal understood, and the various protagonists pursued for accountability, and the pandemic/bioterrorism preparedness industries are finished.
There is no valid anything.
Only lies.
Mike Yeadon, to JH:
There are no genuine vaccines.
They’re fraudulent, unnecessary, wholly ineffective and often deliberately injurious.
In such a setting they must not even be offered to people or animals.
Truly informed consent as I’ve just outlined would result in very low uptake.
But we’d never get within a country mile of properly informed status.
Obviously I demand informed consent but given the above, the concept (of informed consent to vaccination) is as dust.
Right.
Being asked to consent to a harmful or unnecessary product or procedure is immoral.
So, in that regard, "informed consent" is a halfway point at which I am not willing to meet the Enemy.
"Don't compromise. Compromise is a language of the Devil." -Chariots of Fire
Post Publication: The discussion continues in the comments. Elizabeth asked about my and Mike’s background regarding vaccinations. My response is here; Mike’s is here. Another thread copied below for my reference.
As you say yourself Mike: "Truly informed consent as I’ve just outlined would result in very low uptake."
That's exactly my point!!!!
The information that is promoted by 'the authorities' about disease threats is dire, fear-mongering propaganda, aka lies, to drive people to submit to vaccination, as we've seen clearly with 'Covid'.
But despite the fear-mongering, it seems they still have to coerce/mandate people to submit to the intervention, because many people would not make their own free choice to submit to vaccination.
It's about challenging the 'information' Mike, and the compulsion to vaccinate.
I respect your perspective and always have done.
Mine thought is different. It is based on the realisation that the entire field is fraudulent. For me, I cannot campaign for informed consent because I think that phrase & practise is assumed to rest upon a just foundation of public health practice. “Here’s a well intentioned thing, you may join in or not”.
But that isn’t the setting. It’s a bed of lies. I don’t think it’s ethical to act as if it isn’t all deception.
So my journey took me from not giving a momentary thought to the entire thing to speaking out about something much more serious than whether or not to go along with something most others were content to go along with.
We’re facing the prospect of extinguishing human freedoms altogether. I have to give that warning over & above any of the other things I might do or say.
Hence these days I’m dot joining around new format digital ID which is editable in real time and on cashless CBDC.
Where the informed consent argument comes in, for me, is with shots that have already been taken - i.e., "you took that COVID shot, but you were not adequately informed of the risks and benefits - in fact, you were lied to (and your doctor was lied to as well)."
I respect and appreciate different approaches and emphases in calling out the evils perpetrated against humanity in 2020+. I can't consider informed consent a cornerstone of my own orientation for the reasons you've stated. It's all lies - there is no informed consent and the products shouldn't be presented as necessary or offered in the first place.(I think) Katherine Watt and I are on the same page insofar as what the real solution is: Just say no/civil disobedience. Regard the shots as weapons and resist them with every fiber of your being.
It has started to occur to me that the very act of one human injecting another human with anything is a barbarous act. Am I going too far? Maybe…
Related by J. Hockett
Being compelled to consent to a 100% safe and effective procedure is still immoral--and an oxymoron, as well. It's the compulsion that's immoral: the initiation of force against those who haven't initiated it against anyone else. It doesn't matter how benign or beneficial or malevolent or destructive a given end is. We cannot *initiate* coercion against other people and still end up with a fully *human* society, i.e., one in which freedom and individual rights are upheld.
As a retired physician I had a few people ask me what to do. I advised not getting the so-called vaccine at least until more was known about the illness and the new vaccine. Not a single person, including 4 siblings, listened to me. They were scared to death. The media did their part in the fear campaign. I don't think anyone will ever pay, in any way, for what happened.