He seems to be a very confused, conflicted man. First tenet of scientific study of something must be that the something exists. Studying an entity based on dogmatic linear thinking and assumptions of existence leads to horrible studies and misleading, dangerous results.
Conflicted -yes. confused?? Sounds to me more like he's trying to grasp why the focus was covid covid covid covid for so long and obsessively, showing how everybody and their brother jumping on bandwagon doesn't actually produce any GOOD science but a shitton of JUNK. JUNK that was and still IS used to control our lives. He was also severely abused/harrased/threatened (including his family) for his early low risk of death per infection rate. so can understand the caution
It’s hard to hear one of the early reasonable & highly respected voices (who provided seemingly robust data showing it was all a nothingburger) praise the Santa Clara policy folks considering they were and still are some of the most tyrannical covidians on the planet.
I always appreciate Ioannidis' humble approach. Other than his incorrect claim that "we developed pretty effective vaccines for severe outcomes," he made several important points:
1. "we don't even have good death registration systems."
2. "COVID papers were more horrible than horrible."
3. "A lot of research creates problems that don't exist."
4. "we should be able to see the raw data" of studies.
5. "I don't want to be stuck that I signed a Manifesto and now that's completely wrong."
Adding another thank you to Jessica. I haven't read the transcript, but on point 3 (and 1), one of the problems when comparing covid to the flu is that so much more research was done on covid than had been done on the flu. Who knows what flu incidence would look like if healthy people were tested for it every week?
"Patient-centeredness or community-centeredness. Have we asked patients, have we asked the community what they care about? Not what I care about or what other researchers care about or what experts care about, but what are the values that are important for the average person out there? Not for the politician, not for the policy maker, not for the legend scientist, not for irrelevant people -- for the real people."
yep still screaming this from rooftops about LTC-Every. single. winter.. and .. fall now we cycle through invasive nose swabs/masks/injections. employees too intimidated/indoctrinated to object. NO ONE asked the residents if they feel this is necessary. NO ONE asked if they want to be put in isolation for fear of boogey man. NO ONE is asking STILL about this.
Highlighting two of his statements: "The worst disaster was United States and Bulgaria. If you limit to less than 65 years old, we're far worse than anywhere else in the world."
"Those who were completely asymptomatic and healthy, and they got a positive test and it was seen as a death sentence. You know, they were thinking of euthanasia."
Oh and for what it is worth-there WAS a really nasty bug circulating late 2019-summer 2020. Whether that was cause for the absolute shitshow of panic storming/authoritarianism needed is highly doubtful. But the sickest LTC residents were SICK-like worst kind of flu sick we've seen (bad fatigue, no energy to eat/no appetite/no smell and weird skin issues). However it was just a handful who were that bad and most recovered who weren't already at end of life stages. The isolation DID make recovery far far far far harder
Missouri. The city with the awful "hairdresser" story. And I know the ID doc who published the "study". one of the many many garbage junk science published but it's all about numbers and getting to say how many papers you published NOT whether they are any good. Had respect for him until then as he is very intelligent. BUT I think the "excitement" of something new went to everyone's head and jumping on the bandwagon was the easiest thing to do.
My husband, daughter and I all came down with the flu (as “confirmed” by a test while my daughter was at the doctors office for something else) in March 2019. The test said it was Influenza Type B. The news said type A and come and gone and now type b was surging. I hadn’t had the flu for over 20 years and it was rough but not so different than before. Then in the late fall, so many kids were getting sick in my daughter’s class, and I think it was classified at type B flu.
Extraordinarily, he manages to falsify the pandemic hypothesis without realising it.
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He seems to be a very confused, conflicted man. First tenet of scientific study of something must be that the something exists. Studying an entity based on dogmatic linear thinking and assumptions of existence leads to horrible studies and misleading, dangerous results.
Conflicted -yes. confused?? Sounds to me more like he's trying to grasp why the focus was covid covid covid covid for so long and obsessively, showing how everybody and their brother jumping on bandwagon doesn't actually produce any GOOD science but a shitton of JUNK. JUNK that was and still IS used to control our lives. He was also severely abused/harrased/threatened (including his family) for his early low risk of death per infection rate. so can understand the caution
It’s hard to hear one of the early reasonable & highly respected voices (who provided seemingly robust data showing it was all a nothingburger) praise the Santa Clara policy folks considering they were and still are some of the most tyrannical covidians on the planet.
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Thanks for transcribing this speech, Jessica.
I always appreciate Ioannidis' humble approach. Other than his incorrect claim that "we developed pretty effective vaccines for severe outcomes," he made several important points:
1. "we don't even have good death registration systems."
2. "COVID papers were more horrible than horrible."
3. "A lot of research creates problems that don't exist."
4. "we should be able to see the raw data" of studies.
5. "I don't want to be stuck that I signed a Manifesto and now that's completely wrong."
I agree the claim you cited is incorrect.
1. is a point he makes that requires a longer response from me (but not right now 😉)
2.-5. are good & impt points.
Adding another thank you to Jessica. I haven't read the transcript, but on point 3 (and 1), one of the problems when comparing covid to the flu is that so much more research was done on covid than had been done on the flu. Who knows what flu incidence would look like if healthy people were tested for it every week?
WHO knows, that's who
"Patient-centeredness or community-centeredness. Have we asked patients, have we asked the community what they care about? Not what I care about or what other researchers care about or what experts care about, but what are the values that are important for the average person out there? Not for the politician, not for the policy maker, not for the legend scientist, not for irrelevant people -- for the real people."
yep still screaming this from rooftops about LTC-Every. single. winter.. and .. fall now we cycle through invasive nose swabs/masks/injections. employees too intimidated/indoctrinated to object. NO ONE asked the residents if they feel this is necessary. NO ONE asked if they want to be put in isolation for fear of boogey man. NO ONE is asking STILL about this.
Highlighting two of his statements: "The worst disaster was United States and Bulgaria. If you limit to less than 65 years old, we're far worse than anywhere else in the world."
"Those who were completely asymptomatic and healthy, and they got a positive test and it was seen as a death sentence. You know, they were thinking of euthanasia."
I have a lot of questions about those statements
Including...
"Dr Ioannidis, what do you think about the young deaths in New York City in spring 2020?"
"Who was 'thinking euthanasia'? The patient? The doctor? Why?"
Oh and for what it is worth-there WAS a really nasty bug circulating late 2019-summer 2020. Whether that was cause for the absolute shitshow of panic storming/authoritarianism needed is highly doubtful. But the sickest LTC residents were SICK-like worst kind of flu sick we've seen (bad fatigue, no energy to eat/no appetite/no smell and weird skin issues). However it was just a handful who were that bad and most recovered who weren't already at end of life stages. The isolation DID make recovery far far far far harder
What state are you in? Can you say?
Missouri. The city with the awful "hairdresser" story. And I know the ID doc who published the "study". one of the many many garbage junk science published but it's all about numbers and getting to say how many papers you published NOT whether they are any good. Had respect for him until then as he is very intelligent. BUT I think the "excitement" of something new went to everyone's head and jumping on the bandwagon was the easiest thing to do.
My husband, daughter and I all came down with the flu (as “confirmed” by a test while my daughter was at the doctors office for something else) in March 2019. The test said it was Influenza Type B. The news said type A and come and gone and now type b was surging. I hadn’t had the flu for over 20 years and it was rough but not so different than before. Then in the late fall, so many kids were getting sick in my daughter’s class, and I think it was classified at type B flu.
Not all samples are subtyped, so it is interesting that yours were