I noted the use of the verb mesmerised (albeit with a z) in your quoted definition.
Did you know that the word can be traced back to a doctor - and charlatan - called Franz Mesmer, who 'mesmerised' the chattering classes with assorted mumbo jumbo and associated BS during the early years of the Victorian era.
Oh I love intriguing etymological factoids! Thank you.
Spring 2020 was very much about being "mesmerized," wasn't it? "Look at the Screen-Based Pandemic Show! Disregard reality, citizens! A threat is upon us!"
P.S. Regarding spelling conventions (American v British), our general rule is to defer to the American version when the article is on Wood House 76 and British when on Sanity Unleashed -- though I think I once permitted "ou" where I would normally use "o". 😉
"Despite what the digital era has led us to believe, it is impossible to precisely count how many people die in a specific location on any given day, and announce it the next day."
This statement reminds me of one of my pet peeves. When I used to teach Epidemiology in a Health Sciences University >6 years ago, I always had to wait for at least two years to have any official morbidity and mortality statistics that I could use as "real" examples in class. The "real data" that I used to illustrate concepts in class were always a couple of years behind. Then, suddenly, during the "covid pandemic" we had mortality data reported to us on a daily basis. Nothing to be suspicious...
U.S. mortality data for an individual year aren't "finalized" until November or December the following year. (The same is true in Italy and many countries.)
Forgive me if I already asked either/both of you, but can you follow a presentation done in French? If so, there is a French statistician who has done a lot of clear and concise analysis of official French and other European "Covid" numbers, and his work would be an excellent complementary resource to yours.
Lemme know if you want links.
NB: I will likely notice any response quicker on Twitter: @mr_pique
Ha! Well, we can't all have the stratospheric income that a bachelor's in foreign languages affords...
The statistician is Pierre Chaillot, who since his fall from grace in March 2020 has written a couple books (all profits to victims of the Lifesaving™ Safe'n'Effective™ "vaccines").
YouTube video listing here -- might want to scroll way down to start with the early stuff first, though he does repeat/review/revise in later presentations:
This is one of his first, from March 2020 -- title "La stratégie du choc" (choc = shock)( it does have an option for what looks to be machine-generated English captioning):
Thank you for this article which raises intriguing questions. As you say, the claimed deaths should be substantiated with death certificates. You also question the way every covid death is considered an excess death. This is an assumption made by the Australian Bureau of Statistics and the Australian Federal Department of Health. Of course it must be vigorously challenged. With an average age of death from covid in 2022 in Australia older than the average age of death (85.8 yrs vs 82.2 years), many people who died from covid would have died in that year anyway. So what kind of deaths actually made up the excess deaths?
You're welcome and thank you for grasping a key point about the data for all locations and countries (not just Bergamo) -- one that many statisticians and hobby analysts have missed.
Deaths labeled COVID-19 (in a week/month/year) are not necessarily additive.
A well-planned operation on the data manipulation side would have anticipated the need to make people believe otherwise.
Regarding Australia (and New Zealand and Germany....), I have concerns about the LACK of excess in 2020. "Australia, island nation, did the right thing" was the intended message. What is the prevailing explanation for why "lockdowns" did not generate excess?
I think the island thing is real. We (Australia) had closed international borders and so flu and covid didn't enter (apart from a few leaks that were rapidly stopped). Old frail people who would normally have died were at home, not catching respiratory infections and not getting the myocardial infarctions that are triggered by them. The same is true for NZ. I was not aware that Germany had low deaths in 2020. What kind of immediate excess deaths would be expected to be triggered by lockdowns? Suicides, and deaths from heart attacks when the patient was too scared to go to hospital perhaps (though there will also have been fewer hospital medical mishaps of course). I imagine that road traffic accidents would also have been greatly reduced. Lockdowns were severe here. Melbourne apparently had the worst in the world.
I have an open mind about whether there was a coronavirus or not, though I lean towards its existence. There was certainly something funny with recording of flu throughout the Australian pandemic and I have heard from nurses that it wasn't tested for in certain hospitals at least - so not surprising that it seemed to vanish! I don't see why shutting international borders wouldn't have an effect on the prevalence of respiratory infections which get brought into the country from overseas. These international lockdowns probably did keep infections at bay but at a huge economic and humanitarian price, which Professor Gigi Foster has clearly shown was not worth it in her book "Do lockdowns and border closures serve the greater good?' I don't see how thinking this justifies people taking the shot at all.
I know this. Obviously not "virus" ..And it's all been exposed . I suppose that any addition to the Italian reports will benefit others still in the dark.
Bergamo is an industrial region and the pollution from factories and industry led to increasing lung problems in an aging population . Reports in independent Italian investigative journals were submitted in 2021 revealing the root causes for rising deaths , which was an opportune position for a mass cover-up of governmental negligence in regulation , & created a perfect fuel for the Con-vid Propaganda hysteria. The story has already been exposed.
You say "The story has already been exposed"....but "the story" (as reported by "dissidents" to date) purports to explain how and why so many people died working under the assumption that the claimed death curves are an accurate representation of the true timing and / or magnitude of deaths which occurred.
We are challenging that assumption, which AFAIK hardly anybody else is willing to do.
Yes I read it , shared it , and posted excerpts to social media , but that was deleted and I was banned at the time . I think it has since been buried . I understand the point about distorting data and death rates to promote an agenda . The real conditions in the region are still being covered up .
Being banned or censored is not an indicator of veracity.
What "real conditions" in Bergamo or Lombardy are "still being covered up"? Are were to believe that Northern Italy has environmental problems that areas which did not report excess in spring 2020 lack?
"Root causes for rising deaths" when? Please refer to the visual at the end of the article above. Nothing was rising prior to the event - and nothing was rising afterward.
We don't disagree regarding cover-up and propaganda, but "pollution" does not explain the dramatic rise and fall purported by official data.
It's true . Increasing medical diagnosis of regional residents and insurance reports , plus conditions reported by workers and families , and ignored by local regulatory agencies in collusion with Italian government and US pharmaceutical agencies all documented . Why do you think it was scrubbed? Yes Still off grid as far as mainstream Italian media . I have relatives going back generations in a nearby city . I can assure you . I'm not just ranting to be contrarian . For real . Only pointing out that people DO know , and that this article while I totally support it's ethical focus and accuracy in terms of the content . Anyway . Not meaning to hijack the post. I think there is information published that explains the situation well going back some time in foreign alt press is all . Nevermind .
Keep going. The truth will eventually come out.
I noted the use of the verb mesmerised (albeit with a z) in your quoted definition.
Did you know that the word can be traced back to a doctor - and charlatan - called Franz Mesmer, who 'mesmerised' the chattering classes with assorted mumbo jumbo and associated BS during the early years of the Victorian era.
Funny/odd. And plus ca change...
Oh I love intriguing etymological factoids! Thank you.
Spring 2020 was very much about being "mesmerized," wasn't it? "Look at the Screen-Based Pandemic Show! Disregard reality, citizens! A threat is upon us!"
P.S. Regarding spelling conventions (American v British), our general rule is to defer to the American version when the article is on Wood House 76 and British when on Sanity Unleashed -- though I think I once permitted "ou" where I would normally use "o". 😉
How generos of you!
Not at all labourious
This could get tedios... I'd better stop.
You mean Tedros? 🤣
Argh. I had momentarily escaped into a pun-ny previous life-before-everything-went-insane...
"Despite what the digital era has led us to believe, it is impossible to precisely count how many people die in a specific location on any given day, and announce it the next day."
This statement reminds me of one of my pet peeves. When I used to teach Epidemiology in a Health Sciences University >6 years ago, I always had to wait for at least two years to have any official morbidity and mortality statistics that I could use as "real" examples in class. The "real data" that I used to illustrate concepts in class were always a couple of years behind. Then, suddenly, during the "covid pandemic" we had mortality data reported to us on a daily basis. Nothing to be suspicious...
Precisely.
U.S. mortality data for an individual year aren't "finalized" until November or December the following year. (The same is true in Italy and many countries.)
Exactly. In Puerto Rico where I live it may take even a little bit longer.
:-(
Well done as usual, you two.
Forgive me if I already asked either/both of you, but can you follow a presentation done in French? If so, there is a French statistician who has done a lot of clear and concise analysis of official French and other European "Covid" numbers, and his work would be an excellent complementary resource to yours.
Lemme know if you want links.
NB: I will likely notice any response quicker on Twitter: @mr_pique
Unfortunately I can't follow french (unless it's restaurant-related!). Can try machine translation though? It's getting pretty good.
Ha! Well, we can't all have the stratospheric income that a bachelor's in foreign languages affords...
The statistician is Pierre Chaillot, who since his fall from grace in March 2020 has written a couple books (all profits to victims of the Lifesaving™ Safe'n'Effective™ "vaccines").
YouTube video listing here -- might want to scroll way down to start with the early stuff first, though he does repeat/review/revise in later presentations:
https://www.youtube.com/c/D%C3%A9coderl%C3%A9co/videos
This is one of his first, from March 2020 -- title "La stratégie du choc" (choc = shock)( it does have an option for what looks to be machine-generated English captioning):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhzqAnpb9cA
Twitter feed:
https://x.com/decoder_l
Thank you for this article which raises intriguing questions. As you say, the claimed deaths should be substantiated with death certificates. You also question the way every covid death is considered an excess death. This is an assumption made by the Australian Bureau of Statistics and the Australian Federal Department of Health. Of course it must be vigorously challenged. With an average age of death from covid in 2022 in Australia older than the average age of death (85.8 yrs vs 82.2 years), many people who died from covid would have died in that year anyway. So what kind of deaths actually made up the excess deaths?
You're welcome and thank you for grasping a key point about the data for all locations and countries (not just Bergamo) -- one that many statisticians and hobby analysts have missed.
Deaths labeled COVID-19 (in a week/month/year) are not necessarily additive.
A well-planned operation on the data manipulation side would have anticipated the need to make people believe otherwise.
Regarding Australia (and New Zealand and Germany....), I have concerns about the LACK of excess in 2020. "Australia, island nation, did the right thing" was the intended message. What is the prevailing explanation for why "lockdowns" did not generate excess?
I think the island thing is real. We (Australia) had closed international borders and so flu and covid didn't enter (apart from a few leaks that were rapidly stopped). Old frail people who would normally have died were at home, not catching respiratory infections and not getting the myocardial infarctions that are triggered by them. The same is true for NZ. I was not aware that Germany had low deaths in 2020. What kind of immediate excess deaths would be expected to be triggered by lockdowns? Suicides, and deaths from heart attacks when the patient was too scared to go to hospital perhaps (though there will also have been fewer hospital medical mishaps of course). I imagine that road traffic accidents would also have been greatly reduced. Lockdowns were severe here. Melbourne apparently had the worst in the world.
We reject there having been a spreading coronavirus - and have serious doubts about the prevaling view on influenza viruses.
Consider: the explanation you are giving IS the establishment explanation, which reinforces the false claims use to justufy the "need" for a shot.
There are good reasons to suspect no/negative excess in spring 2020 may also involve data manipulation
weknowwhatit wasand still is not covid
I have an open mind about whether there was a coronavirus or not, though I lean towards its existence. There was certainly something funny with recording of flu throughout the Australian pandemic and I have heard from nurses that it wasn't tested for in certain hospitals at least - so not surprising that it seemed to vanish! I don't see why shutting international borders wouldn't have an effect on the prevalence of respiratory infections which get brought into the country from overseas. These international lockdowns probably did keep infections at bay but at a huge economic and humanitarian price, which Professor Gigi Foster has clearly shown was not worth it in her book "Do lockdowns and border closures serve the greater good?' I don't see how thinking this justifies people taking the shot at all.
This is all what I expected you to say :)
I know this. Obviously not "virus" ..And it's all been exposed . I suppose that any addition to the Italian reports will benefit others still in the dark.
Bergamo is an industrial region and the pollution from factories and industry led to increasing lung problems in an aging population . Reports in independent Italian investigative journals were submitted in 2021 revealing the root causes for rising deaths , which was an opportune position for a mass cover-up of governmental negligence in regulation , & created a perfect fuel for the Con-vid Propaganda hysteria. The story has already been exposed.
Have you actually read the article?
You say "The story has already been exposed"....but "the story" (as reported by "dissidents" to date) purports to explain how and why so many people died working under the assumption that the claimed death curves are an accurate representation of the true timing and / or magnitude of deaths which occurred.
We are challenging that assumption, which AFAIK hardly anybody else is willing to do.
Yes I read it , shared it , and posted excerpts to social media , but that was deleted and I was banned at the time . I think it has since been buried . I understand the point about distorting data and death rates to promote an agenda . The real conditions in the region are still being covered up .
Jonathan means have you read the article on which you are commenting.
Which story has been exposed - and how does it relate to our argument here?
The "Po Valley/Pollution" claim was part of a 'permitted dissent'/alt narrative from the beginning (Example: https://jennifermargulis.net/glyphosate-and-covid-19-connection/) and is also made in subsequent articles from various sources.
Being banned or censored is not an indicator of veracity.
What "real conditions" in Bergamo or Lombardy are "still being covered up"? Are were to believe that Northern Italy has environmental problems that areas which did not report excess in spring 2020 lack?
"Root causes for rising deaths" when? Please refer to the visual at the end of the article above. Nothing was rising prior to the event - and nothing was rising afterward.
We don't disagree regarding cover-up and propaganda, but "pollution" does not explain the dramatic rise and fall purported by official data.
It's true . Increasing medical diagnosis of regional residents and insurance reports , plus conditions reported by workers and families , and ignored by local regulatory agencies in collusion with Italian government and US pharmaceutical agencies all documented . Why do you think it was scrubbed? Yes Still off grid as far as mainstream Italian media . I have relatives going back generations in a nearby city . I can assure you . I'm not just ranting to be contrarian . For real . Only pointing out that people DO know , and that this article while I totally support it's ethical focus and accuracy in terms of the content . Anyway . Not meaning to hijack the post. I think there is information published that explains the situation well going back some time in foreign alt press is all . Nevermind .
Feel free to post links and supporting documentation.
Which city?
Nothing you're saying addresses the question posed in the headline, or the content in the article.
I think you're running a con-op pedantic social media chart dump to promote your personal brand . Not disclose the truth.