I remain distressed that few to no noisy physicians have emphasised to the general public that sedation, intubation and mechanical ventilation are inappropriate treatments for patients who are conscious, breathing through an unobstructed airway (the opposite of such as a near fatal asthma attack) and have no injury to their chest (such as can occur in stab wounds, other causes of pneumothorax & crush injury).
If such patients had a low and falling blood oxygen saturation, the appropriate treatment would be an oxygen mask or nasal cannula so that they breathe from air enriched with oxygen to some extent.
The mechanical ventilation story was pushed very heavily where I was in UK, early in 2020, to the extent you could not have failed to be impressed by it. There was talk of a need to immediately close the gap between capacity and need, with something like 20,000 ventilators.
Recall the absurd situation where vacuum cleaner and vehicle manufacturers were being spoken of as potential sources for jury-rigged ventilators.
These machines, when used appropriately (eg surgery accompanied by deep anaesthesia, after head injury or poisoning, where the respiratory reflexes are blunted, severe burns and other conditions where injury is so severe than medically-induced coma is a humanitarian decision) is life-saving.
It’s a complicated piece of machinery and anyone with the first knowledge of them immediately realises that rapid production of ventilators is camel through the eye of a needle style impossibility. Not even close. Furthermore, it’s a discipline all of its own to know how best to “fly” the patient and recognise early if things are turning bad. So even if there really had been a need for all these machines (there definitely wasn’t), the lead time for producing those kinds of numbers would be, I suspect, in the years not months. And we’d still lack the skilled staff to use them.
I could write a long essay on how the knowing misapplication of mechanical ventilation to helpless patients in hospital is murder.
It’s long past the time when regular doctors, but at least pulmonologists, critical care specialists and consultants broadly in general medicine should be setting into the record views along these lines, providing they’re correct.
WHY are they not doing so? Those who know that wrongdoing was everywhere have an obligation to share what they know in order to reduce the risk that it’ll happen again.
I think it’s highly likely to happen again because the advantages to the perpetrators of doing so are strong, particularly in the context of respiratory illnesses.
Speaking to the event and timeframe I know best, the evidence (quantitative and qualitative) for "people showing up to the hospital breathless" is not strong. PROPAGANDA about that? Sure. It feeds the "novel thing suddenly spreading idea" and also the idea that people were panicked and rushing to the emergency room en masse. I remain open to seeing evidence of that having occurred.
If I may, I'll also take advantage of your comment to point out something about the elevated doctor voices of the New York event (e.g., Craig Spencer, Colleen Smith, Cameron Kyle-Siddell, Pierre Kory, Nurse Erin, Nicole Sirotek):
Regardless of emphasis, none of them said "don't use ventilators" or "I wonder if there really is a new spreading disease."
The trajectory of the initial NYC Op went like this:
1. We need ventilators! (Craig Spencer)
2. We need more ventilators! (Colleen Smith!
3. We need to use ventilators differently! (Kyle-Siddell, Sirotek)
4. We need to use oxygen too/instead! (Kyle-Siddell)
5. We need early treatment so we can prevent intubation! (Kory, Nurse Erin)
It takes only a slight disruption in care, routine, and attention to throw fragile elderly folks (and some fragile younger folks) over the edge. The disruption in Spring 20 was far from slight. The US specializes during normal times in keeping these people barely alive, matrix-like, for extended periods so they can keep feeding the machine. So wherever these folks already were, many succumbed. The ones that actually made it alive to hospitals already had their death sentence signed upon admission. Its not hard to see why many would die immediately after the insane measures were implemented. I have seen no evidence that hospitals did anything beyond covering their asses. Workers had been propagandized to believe their own lives were in grave danger. Sick fragile folks were an easy sacrifice.
Yes, but at the same time, that London excess curve is quite steep and there is an upper bound for an iatrogenic event. (It's not boundless...esp when we are talking about 'evidence of absence' with regard to body management and much else.)
Plus, I think my point with the UK and US alike is that hospitals - and EMS - are STILL being protected. ("Protect the NHS" as they said over there.) Nursing/care homes have taken the blame....and I find it interesting that the midazolam aspect was reported pretty early...not simply something that came out much later.
Moreover, in the US, many of the "hospital murder" videos, testimonies, and emphasis from groups like CHD are 2021+. Has RFK or the incoming NIH Director (Jay B) said anything about hospitals in spring 2020? (Trump won't anytime soon, obviously.)
It's like early 2020 never happened. (Maybe because it didn't happen as presented?)
I reject the notion that hospitals did nothing beyond covering their arses.
Please see my post about the inappropriateness of mechanical ventilation nearby. Many people in hospitals knew perfectly well that it’s widespread application was WRONG.
I brush away contemptuously the excuse that they needed to contain the alleged virus. If they were that concerned, a respirator would be a much safer solution, as well as equally effective, cheaper and the training burden is slight.
They absolutely knew. And there is some evidence that those who knew and tried to act in spring 2020 were silenced in the worst possible way
One person I know who did object (a nurse) has a compelling story and I hope she will share it publicly someday (or permit me or someone else to share it).
I can make some allowances for younger doctors and for those who were asked to come in and sedate the patient.
Yes, agreed. I don’t blame young, inexperienced or non respiratory generalists. We’ve all been socially engineered by TV & Hollyweird to expect sick people in hospitals to be on softly bleeping machines.
Agree with all of that. The false dichotomy origin thing is all anyone wants to talk about re 20. they have no doubt that “it” happened largely as presented by the folks they distrust about everything else. The only questions that remain are bat vs bat lady in 20, and just how bad the vaxes were after that.
I suspect the plandemic narrative was scripted & groomed in a way to encourage the doctors to be inordinately liberal with oxygen supplement and to do "preemptive" intubations and then there was intubation to prevent "spread" of the deadly imaginary China virus bioweapon.
Yes, I have already addressed those things elsewhere - as well as the fact that what NYC vent data we have doesn't allow us to blame vents for the massive hospital toll. There weren't enough vents.
I remain distressed that few to no noisy physicians have emphasised to the general public that sedation, intubation and mechanical ventilation are inappropriate treatments for patients who are conscious, breathing through an unobstructed airway (the opposite of such as a near fatal asthma attack) and have no injury to their chest (such as can occur in stab wounds, other causes of pneumothorax & crush injury).
If such patients had a low and falling blood oxygen saturation, the appropriate treatment would be an oxygen mask or nasal cannula so that they breathe from air enriched with oxygen to some extent.
The mechanical ventilation story was pushed very heavily where I was in UK, early in 2020, to the extent you could not have failed to be impressed by it. There was talk of a need to immediately close the gap between capacity and need, with something like 20,000 ventilators.
Recall the absurd situation where vacuum cleaner and vehicle manufacturers were being spoken of as potential sources for jury-rigged ventilators.
These machines, when used appropriately (eg surgery accompanied by deep anaesthesia, after head injury or poisoning, where the respiratory reflexes are blunted, severe burns and other conditions where injury is so severe than medically-induced coma is a humanitarian decision) is life-saving.
It’s a complicated piece of machinery and anyone with the first knowledge of them immediately realises that rapid production of ventilators is camel through the eye of a needle style impossibility. Not even close. Furthermore, it’s a discipline all of its own to know how best to “fly” the patient and recognise early if things are turning bad. So even if there really had been a need for all these machines (there definitely wasn’t), the lead time for producing those kinds of numbers would be, I suspect, in the years not months. And we’d still lack the skilled staff to use them.
I could write a long essay on how the knowing misapplication of mechanical ventilation to helpless patients in hospital is murder.
It’s long past the time when regular doctors, but at least pulmonologists, critical care specialists and consultants broadly in general medicine should be setting into the record views along these lines, providing they’re correct.
WHY are they not doing so? Those who know that wrongdoing was everywhere have an obligation to share what they know in order to reduce the risk that it’ll happen again.
I think it’s highly likely to happen again because the advantages to the perpetrators of doing so are strong, particularly in the context of respiratory illnesses.
Thanks, Mike.
Speaking to the event and timeframe I know best, the evidence (quantitative and qualitative) for "people showing up to the hospital breathless" is not strong. PROPAGANDA about that? Sure. It feeds the "novel thing suddenly spreading idea" and also the idea that people were panicked and rushing to the emergency room en masse. I remain open to seeing evidence of that having occurred.
If I may, I'll also take advantage of your comment to point out something about the elevated doctor voices of the New York event (e.g., Craig Spencer, Colleen Smith, Cameron Kyle-Siddell, Pierre Kory, Nurse Erin, Nicole Sirotek):
Regardless of emphasis, none of them said "don't use ventilators" or "I wonder if there really is a new spreading disease."
The trajectory of the initial NYC Op went like this:
1. We need ventilators! (Craig Spencer)
2. We need more ventilators! (Colleen Smith!
3. We need to use ventilators differently! (Kyle-Siddell, Sirotek)
4. We need to use oxygen too/instead! (Kyle-Siddell)
5. We need early treatment so we can prevent intubation! (Kory, Nurse Erin)
See?
It takes only a slight disruption in care, routine, and attention to throw fragile elderly folks (and some fragile younger folks) over the edge. The disruption in Spring 20 was far from slight. The US specializes during normal times in keeping these people barely alive, matrix-like, for extended periods so they can keep feeding the machine. So wherever these folks already were, many succumbed. The ones that actually made it alive to hospitals already had their death sentence signed upon admission. Its not hard to see why many would die immediately after the insane measures were implemented. I have seen no evidence that hospitals did anything beyond covering their asses. Workers had been propagandized to believe their own lives were in grave danger. Sick fragile folks were an easy sacrifice.
Yes, but at the same time, that London excess curve is quite steep and there is an upper bound for an iatrogenic event. (It's not boundless...esp when we are talking about 'evidence of absence' with regard to body management and much else.)
Plus, I think my point with the UK and US alike is that hospitals - and EMS - are STILL being protected. ("Protect the NHS" as they said over there.) Nursing/care homes have taken the blame....and I find it interesting that the midazolam aspect was reported pretty early...not simply something that came out much later.
Moreover, in the US, many of the "hospital murder" videos, testimonies, and emphasis from groups like CHD are 2021+. Has RFK or the incoming NIH Director (Jay B) said anything about hospitals in spring 2020? (Trump won't anytime soon, obviously.)
It's like early 2020 never happened. (Maybe because it didn't happen as presented?)
I reject the notion that hospitals did nothing beyond covering their arses.
Please see my post about the inappropriateness of mechanical ventilation nearby. Many people in hospitals knew perfectly well that it’s widespread application was WRONG.
I brush away contemptuously the excuse that they needed to contain the alleged virus. If they were that concerned, a respirator would be a much safer solution, as well as equally effective, cheaper and the training burden is slight.
They absolutely knew. And there is some evidence that those who knew and tried to act in spring 2020 were silenced in the worst possible way
One person I know who did object (a nurse) has a compelling story and I hope she will share it publicly someday (or permit me or someone else to share it).
I can make some allowances for younger doctors and for those who were asked to come in and sedate the patient.
Yes, agreed. I don’t blame young, inexperienced or non respiratory generalists. We’ve all been socially engineered by TV & Hollyweird to expect sick people in hospitals to be on softly bleeping machines.
Agree with all of that. The false dichotomy origin thing is all anyone wants to talk about re 20. they have no doubt that “it” happened largely as presented by the folks they distrust about everything else. The only questions that remain are bat vs bat lady in 20, and just how bad the vaxes were after that.
I suspect the plandemic narrative was scripted & groomed in a way to encourage the doctors to be inordinately liberal with oxygen supplement and to do "preemptive" intubations and then there was intubation to prevent "spread" of the deadly imaginary China virus bioweapon.
Yes, I have already addressed those things elsewhere - as well as the fact that what NYC vent data we have doesn't allow us to blame vents for the massive hospital toll. There weren't enough vents.
There was a lot of deaths from iatrogenic but the big numbers for mortality was fakery. imho.