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Did any of the COVID patients suffer "twindemic" having both COVID and Influenza? Were flu patients dying having not been treated for the flu (which we seem to have some solution for) being left alone and ventilated? Where are the ventilators now? Have we ran analysis on the logs from those machines to see how they operated for any event where a patient under ventilation had died?

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Sep 23, 2022·edited Sep 23, 2022Author

I want to know the % of Covid-attributed deaths in NYC hospitals were people who had been vented.

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Sep 23, 2022·edited Sep 23, 2022Liked by Jessica Hockett

I don't remember when the covid+ patients bonuses paid to hospitals started, but that could be the explanation, or much of it, for the over 100% increase in hospital inpatient deaths. $9,000 per + patient, right? That would be enough to prompt an intense focus on getting every body tested.

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That helps account for covid attribution, but dead is dead (as MPC says). What did those people die from, and what are the policy implications?

(There are multiple answers, but we need hard data to support those answers—not speculation).

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Sep 23, 2022Liked by Jessica Hockett

Thank you for continuing to look at this. I haven't ignored the covid numbers, but for quite a while have been much more focused on the policy and way of living concerns (e.g., will 10% of Americans mask indoors every winter now?) than on reading the latest papers on, say, booster effectiveness, or memorizing the current case and fatality data.

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Sep 23, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022Author

The speculation I was referencing wasn’t yours, per se. It’s the collective speculation we’ve all done about NYC. Intubation, PCR testing, saying Covid spreads like wildfire in a nursing home — these are all things I’ve talked about myself. I’d love to put some concrete numbers to those things (and check if they’re true).

Everyone has had their areas of interest these past two years. I tend to not follow the vaccine data, for example. There’s only so much we can all take in and process.

Grateful for conversations with people of different focus areas. Ideally, I want as many people as possible to check my analyses (with this and other topics). I don’t care about being right as much as I do about getting to the truth, wherever it leads. :)

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You're great Jessica. I'm glad there are people who are at least as obsessive as I am when it comes to understanding what happened. We are focusing on different phases of the pandemic here, but your articles are very insightful. Thank you.

So many questions still left unanswered.

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Sep 24, 2022Liked by Jessica Hockett

There is definitely more to be done in the hopes of determining who died of what. Like Arne wrote here big bonuses help determine coding and money can slow or halt investigation. I'm not sure we will ever know but what E.Woodhouse says is true from my anecdotal experience. For everyone I know who has had covid, about 40 people, only one has died. He was late 60's, obese, chronic lung disease, and diabetes. More investigation is needed but I don't know if it will ever happen. By the way I kind of liked the typo, "More importantly, do they substantially help explain New York City’s lockdown-triggered spring 2020 MORALITY event?"

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Typo fixed :) Most accurate thing to say would maybe be “immorality event”.

Like you, I know one person whose death was Covid-associated. Person’s health was awful, and the death was two months after infection and not concurrent with respiratory symptoms.

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From Cuomo to Newsom, there are idiots from one side of the country to the other who certainly did not help.

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Sep 23, 2022·edited Sep 23, 2022Author

Indeed, but NYC set the tone and practice for everyone.

We can’t keep making assumptions that the data don’t support.

NYC was an exception — one that may prove some “rules” people don’t want to own or admit to.

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While reading this all I could think about was this interview: https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/11/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-9/ .

It should have been clear to absolutely everyone in medicine that providing incentives for positive tests, ventilator use (later remdesivir) and deaths invited evil. Didn't guarantee it, but did invite it.

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