Sep 23, 2022·edited Sep 23, 2022Liked by Jessica Hockett
I don't remember when the covid+ patients bonuses paid to hospitals started, but that could be the explanation, or much of it, for the over 100% increase in hospital inpatient deaths. $9,000 per + patient, right? That would be enough to prompt an intense focus on getting every body tested.
Thank you for continuing to look at this. I haven't ignored the covid numbers, but for quite a while have been much more focused on the policy and way of living concerns (e.g., will 10% of Americans mask indoors every winter now?) than on reading the latest papers on, say, booster effectiveness, or memorizing the current case and fatality data.
The speculation I was referencing wasn’t yours, per se. It’s the collective speculation we’ve all done about NYC. Intubation, PCR testing, saying Covid spreads like wildfire in a nursing home — these are all things I’ve talked about myself. I’d love to put some concrete numbers to those things (and check if they’re true).
Everyone has had their areas of interest these past two years. I tend to not follow the vaccine data, for example. There’s only so much we can all take in and process.
Grateful for conversations with people of different focus areas. Ideally, I want as many people as possible to check my analyses (with this and other topics). I don’t care about being right as much as I do about getting to the truth, wherever it leads. :)
Covid does NOT spread like wildfire in NH unless doing USELESS PCR testing on everyone 2x week when NO symptoms present. period. We've had more NH residents die this summer each month than during covid and NOT ONE WORD from media. not from covid but the usual death waves NH get-after a wave there is usually months where slightly below average or bad RSV/flu season wipes out vulnerable so takes a bit to catch up to norms again.
Yes but not like we are told. If you need a test to tell you you are "sick" then are you actually "sick"? We don't test healthy (ie 'asymptomatic') for RSV, Flu, rhinovirus etc like we do covid. CDC is STILL recommending testing of "close contacts" in LTC. WHY???? When treatment does. not. matter between cold/corona/covid
Did any of the COVID patients suffer "twindemic" having both COVID and Influenza? Were flu patients dying having not been treated for the flu (which we seem to have some solution for) being left alone and ventilated? Where are the ventilators now? Have we ran analysis on the logs from those machines to see how they operated for any event where a patient under ventilation had died?
You're great Jessica. I'm glad there are people who are at least as obsessive as I am when it comes to understanding what happened. We are focusing on different phases of the pandemic here, but your articles are very insightful. Thank you.
There is definitely more to be done in the hopes of determining who died of what. Like Arne wrote here big bonuses help determine coding and money can slow or halt investigation. I'm not sure we will ever know but what E.Woodhouse says is true from my anecdotal experience. For everyone I know who has had covid, about 40 people, only one has died. He was late 60's, obese, chronic lung disease, and diabetes. More investigation is needed but I don't know if it will ever happen. By the way I kind of liked the typo, "More importantly, do they substantially help explain New York City’s lockdown-triggered spring 2020 MORALITY event?"
Typo fixed :) Most accurate thing to say would maybe be “immorality event”.
Like you, I know one person whose death was Covid-associated. Person’s health was awful, and the death was two months after infection and not concurrent with respiratory symptoms.
"Again, are NYC nursing homes reporting presumed covid deaths of people for whom covid appears nowhere on the death certificate?"
from first hand experience in NH in 2020 (not NY) I can say YES that was happening. Covid was also reported as the death if a +test was taken any time before death even if hospice patient already days from death (and NO REASON to test with NO SYMPTOMS). I don't have "proof" as I don't have death certificates but from MD's i've talked with some are pissed that a coroner or other 'professional' but "covid" as death when covid really didn't contribute to death, so there are likely duplicate reporting (think reporting the first year was a hot mess). I can also tell you I suspect gaming the system on widescale level with hospitals that ran covid tests as PCR Long long long after rapid became available, done on patients sent to hospital with NO respiratory symptoms, rapid NEGATIVE just before sent out but magically "positive" on arrival at hospital. One in particular in Joplin MO. While it might have 'legal" to continue to run PCR on nonsymptom persons it sure as HELL was NOT ethical to continue to isolate 80 year hip fractures for weeks!!!
It should have been clear to absolutely everyone in medicine that providing incentives for positive tests, ventilator use (later remdesivir) and deaths invited evil. Didn't guarantee it, but did invite it.
I don't remember when the covid+ patients bonuses paid to hospitals started, but that could be the explanation, or much of it, for the over 100% increase in hospital inpatient deaths. $9,000 per + patient, right? That would be enough to prompt an intense focus on getting every body tested.
That helps account for covid attribution, but dead is dead (as MPC says). What did those people die from, and what are the policy implications?
(There are multiple answers, but we need hard data to support those answers—not speculation).
Thank you for continuing to look at this. I haven't ignored the covid numbers, but for quite a while have been much more focused on the policy and way of living concerns (e.g., will 10% of Americans mask indoors every winter now?) than on reading the latest papers on, say, booster effectiveness, or memorizing the current case and fatality data.
The speculation I was referencing wasn’t yours, per se. It’s the collective speculation we’ve all done about NYC. Intubation, PCR testing, saying Covid spreads like wildfire in a nursing home — these are all things I’ve talked about myself. I’d love to put some concrete numbers to those things (and check if they’re true).
Everyone has had their areas of interest these past two years. I tend to not follow the vaccine data, for example. There’s only so much we can all take in and process.
Grateful for conversations with people of different focus areas. Ideally, I want as many people as possible to check my analyses (with this and other topics). I don’t care about being right as much as I do about getting to the truth, wherever it leads. :)
Covid does NOT spread like wildfire in NH unless doing USELESS PCR testing on everyone 2x week when NO symptoms present. period. We've had more NH residents die this summer each month than during covid and NOT ONE WORD from media. not from covid but the usual death waves NH get-after a wave there is usually months where slightly below average or bad RSV/flu season wipes out vulnerable so takes a bit to catch up to norms again.
Does it spread?
Yes but not like we are told. If you need a test to tell you you are "sick" then are you actually "sick"? We don't test healthy (ie 'asymptomatic') for RSV, Flu, rhinovirus etc like we do covid. CDC is STILL recommending testing of "close contacts" in LTC. WHY???? When treatment does. not. matter between cold/corona/covid
Suspect duplicate reporting from multiple agencies. Wonder if patients counted multiple times? (from Emergency, hospital, nh etc)
Yes, that's a possibility I've put forth (one of many) since writing this article https://www.woodhouse76.com/p/the-f-word
Did any of the COVID patients suffer "twindemic" having both COVID and Influenza? Were flu patients dying having not been treated for the flu (which we seem to have some solution for) being left alone and ventilated? Where are the ventilators now? Have we ran analysis on the logs from those machines to see how they operated for any event where a patient under ventilation had died?
I want to know the % of Covid-attributed deaths in NYC hospitals were people who had been vented.
You're great Jessica. I'm glad there are people who are at least as obsessive as I am when it comes to understanding what happened. We are focusing on different phases of the pandemic here, but your articles are very insightful. Thank you.
So many questions still left unanswered.
There is definitely more to be done in the hopes of determining who died of what. Like Arne wrote here big bonuses help determine coding and money can slow or halt investigation. I'm not sure we will ever know but what E.Woodhouse says is true from my anecdotal experience. For everyone I know who has had covid, about 40 people, only one has died. He was late 60's, obese, chronic lung disease, and diabetes. More investigation is needed but I don't know if it will ever happen. By the way I kind of liked the typo, "More importantly, do they substantially help explain New York City’s lockdown-triggered spring 2020 MORALITY event?"
Typo fixed :) Most accurate thing to say would maybe be “immorality event”.
Like you, I know one person whose death was Covid-associated. Person’s health was awful, and the death was two months after infection and not concurrent with respiratory symptoms.
"Again, are NYC nursing homes reporting presumed covid deaths of people for whom covid appears nowhere on the death certificate?"
from first hand experience in NH in 2020 (not NY) I can say YES that was happening. Covid was also reported as the death if a +test was taken any time before death even if hospice patient already days from death (and NO REASON to test with NO SYMPTOMS). I don't have "proof" as I don't have death certificates but from MD's i've talked with some are pissed that a coroner or other 'professional' but "covid" as death when covid really didn't contribute to death, so there are likely duplicate reporting (think reporting the first year was a hot mess). I can also tell you I suspect gaming the system on widescale level with hospitals that ran covid tests as PCR Long long long after rapid became available, done on patients sent to hospital with NO respiratory symptoms, rapid NEGATIVE just before sent out but magically "positive" on arrival at hospital. One in particular in Joplin MO. While it might have 'legal" to continue to run PCR on nonsymptom persons it sure as HELL was NOT ethical to continue to isolate 80 year hip fractures for weeks!!!
While reading this all I could think about was this interview: https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/11/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-9/ .
It should have been clear to absolutely everyone in medicine that providing incentives for positive tests, ventilator use (later remdesivir) and deaths invited evil. Didn't guarantee it, but did invite it.
From Cuomo to Newsom, there are idiots from one side of the country to the other who certainly did not help.
Indeed, but NYC set the tone and practice for everyone.
We can’t keep making assumptions that the data don’t support.
NYC was an exception — one that may prove some “rules” people don’t want to own or admit to.